A conversation has gotten under way about Lee and Amanda’s relationship over the course of the whole show – rather than focusing on just one episode.. so here is a thread for this conversation to continue and not get lost!
I’ve added the images!The conversation, [started in the To Catch a Mongoose thread (Season Two, Episode 1)] is as follows:
Submitted on 2012/07/16 at 12:12 pm |
I know I’m getting ahead of myself here, but have you ever considered that the “cover kiss” in Ship of Spies shocked Lee so much less because of how he was responding to Amanda than how intensely she was responding to him. I think he felt a whole lot of lovin’ in that kiss! All that pent-up devotion/desire building over a season-and-a-half.
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Submitted on 2012/07/16 at 12:31 pm |
Paula – HMMMMM, that is interesting to consider. The kiss certainly knocked Lee off his equilibrium. I love the tag when she was basically laughing at him.
Submitted on 2012/07/16 at 12:53 pm |
Paula, that is a fascinating theory–I never thought of this possibility at all! I’ll just have to re-watch the pivotal scene with your theory in mind. (Twist my arm, twist my arm…) She certainly leans forward for one more kiss as he’s drawing back. (Okay, I may have re-watched this scene a time or two already!) Thanks for sharing this intriguing idea.
Submitted on 2012/07/16 at 12:56 pm |
Oh, I just saw your comment, Cindy, after I posted my previous one. I love the tag, too. I can practically hear her thinking, “You can just keep telling yourself that, buddy…but I know better.”
Submitted on 2012/07/16 at 9:47 pm |
I think Amanda loves Lee at this point, but not “in love” with Lee. She loves him as a person. I don’t remember which of you said it (or where), but someone said that at some point in late season 1, Amanda finally got a handle on her crush on Lee and decided that they were only going to be co-workers. That comment spoke volumes to me. She knows she isn’t what he is looking for in a girlfriend and has accepted that.
I don’t see that same loving attitude from Lee, here (ETA: in To Catch a Mongoose), though. He certainly cares for Amanda’s well being. I’m not sure I’d call it love. He’s always felt protective of her because he’s the reason she’s in the spy biz to begin with. He also cares for her as a friend. Love? not yet…
Submitted on 2012/07/17 at 8:17 am |
Hi, Melissa. I’m enjoying your posts, and I agree with you about Amanda probably deciding she and Lee will be friends and work partners by early S2, although I think she might harbor a little stray hope that he will come around to wanting a fuller life than he has now–she’s a hopeful person who tends to see the potential in people, especially Lee. I also think that she is in love with him by mid-S2, but tries not to show it and probably tries not to feel it. As for Lee, I think he does love Amanda but it’s a basic sort of love with only a few elements at this point, mainly intense protectiveness and attraction (emotional as well as physical). He will do almost anything, including committing treason, to rescue her or keep her safe–more than he would do for anyone else, IMO. His jealousy is one of the clearest markers of his attraction; people aren’t jealous when a person they think of only as a friend or co-worker dances with another man or fixes his tie. His actions and some of his words suggest that how much she means to him, and these come from the scripts, of course, but it’s BB’s acting that really makes me believe that Lee loves Amanda even in S1.
His expressions when he sees Amanda dancing with Delano, when he’s confronting Delano about the poison used on Amanda, when he’s holding her in his arms after trading her for the Soviet agent, and when she hugs him after he “returns from the dead” all communicate (to me anyway), that he loves her. He does not recognize the significance of what he feels and says and does yet, but then, he’s really surprised by Amanda and by his intense reaction to her. He’s also out of practice in loving anyone and not looking for a genuine romantic relationship at all. Amanda really comes out of the blue for him. IMHO!
Submitted on 2012/07/17 at 11:43 am |
(edited out off topic content of comment)..I will share some thoughts on it once we have a thread on it [and reply to your posts ].
BTW- Melissa it was me who said Amanda had to get over her crush of Lee – my interpretation is that the episode ‘weekend’ is very much about this!!
Submitted on 2012/07/17 at 10:58 pm |
RedGold – you give me some thoughts to ponder. I’ll have to think about it. Lee certainly is jealous and probably hasn’t put enough thought into it to understand why. We see his attraction to Amanda, but he doesn’t see it. Your comment: “He does not recognize the significance of what he feels and says and does yet, but then, he’s really surprised by Amanda and by his intense reaction to her. He’s also out of practice in loving anyone and not looking for a genuine romantic relationship at all. Amanda really comes out of the blue for him.” is right on the money.
Submitted on 2012/07/18 at 1:36 am |
I have never found jealousy appealing in real life, but I like Lee’s jealousy because it shows his attraction toward Amanda so clearly. His denials and rationalizations are all for naught; he just can’t seem to help “acting like a jealous person.” And Amanda sees that emotion and also what’s behind it, I think. There are some delightful jealous moments in this episode [ETA: episode is to catch a mongoose], even though Lee must realize that Amanda is not interested in Connie romantically. He doesn’t want other unattached men around her, period!
In addition to “jealous Lee,” I’ve also been thinking about “solicitous Lee.”
Here are a few examples:
“Whatsa matter? You cold?” (“Filming Raul”)
“Whatsa matter? Aren’t you hungry?” (“Weekend”)
“Whatsa matter? Your feet hurt?” (“…Mongoose”)
And those are just the “What’s the matter?” inquiries. Lee is certainly observant where Amanda’s comfort and welfare are concerned. That’s due to all of his spy training relating to noting details, I suppose. : )
That’s the comments so far on this subject.. look forward to discussing this more as we work our way through the episodes!
Edited to add: I thought I might post links to posts as they come up, which look at Lee and Amanda’s relationship – and where they are at.. LOL you could say this is in every episode! 😉 tee hee.. but I am thinking here of the big moments, the very revealing moments .. I realise this is a matter of opinion though, so if there is an episode or post not listed which you would like listed just let me know and I’ll add it! 🙂
Affair at Bromfield Hall and again here.
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