6/15 Season Two, Episode 17: Odds on a Dead Pigeon-Scarecrow and Mrs King

35 thoughts on “6/15 Season Two, Episode 17: Odds on a Dead Pigeon-Scarecrow and Mrs King”

1. Funny, I thought the gloves were so they didn’t disturb any fingerprints since the police were on the way….Oh well…everybody interpreted it differently…that’s what makes this blog so interesting.

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2. I see poison ivy mentioned a lot. I have no idea what it actually is, mentally I picture an ivy that tries to strangle you like it’s some sort of Triffid but. I digress LOL
   What bugs me about the Lee and Amanda conversation is once there is clear there is confusion no one explains what they’re on about. I accept this might be because Dotty might come back but jeez people just get to the point!!! Lee’s hands look so close to Amanda’s he’s itching to touch her 😉

   BTW I think the dark pic of the house still has that funny construction above it, I just think it’s the angle of the pic and the lighting which means you can’t see it sticking out.

   Sorry I am not posting about much, not enough hours in the day lately!!!

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   1. Poison ivy is a low plant containing an oil that irritates the skin, causing an itchy (and sometimes painful) rash that blisters the skin. I’ve heard that it can be a shrub or climbing vine as well, but haven’t seen that kind here. If the residual oil on the skin or the discharge from the blisters transfers to someone else’s skin they can catch it, although some people seem more or less immune. Cotton gloves is not the precaution I would think of taking to keep from catching it; especially because bathing the patient is a common treatment, and then you’d think the gloves would be rubber. Mostly, you want to avoid touching the area as much as possible, and wash your hands if you do, since the effect of the oil is not instantaneous. However, if the cotton gloves were intended as a poison ivy precaution, it would be a bad idea for Lee to touch them, although it was also a bad idea to run around touching everything in the house after touching Jamie. I kind of thought the gloves were because of the supposed break-in, but that doesn’t really make sense either, because if they were worried about fingerprints they shouldn’t have handled anything until the police came. It would have made more sense for Karen to wear the gloves; wasn’t she worried about leaving her fingerprints on the phone and everything?

      Haha, the screencaps make it look like Lee showed up at the window with flowers! (I wish). But they stay in place when he drops down!

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      1. Thanks Hammoycampero that’s my new info learned for the day 🙂

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         1. I found this article interesting and helpful.. it had pretty pictures 🙂
            http://www.wikihow.com/Prevent-Getting-Poison-Ivy-or-Poison-Oak

            It says its a common myth that it’s contagious – when it’s only contagious if the oil is still on the skin, as happy camper said (Hi Happy Camper!).. so I think SMK was going with the idea that it was a contagious rash all the time.. and since it seems to take different lengths of time to form a rash and in different ways – people think the poison ivy was spreading when it wasn’t.. people had already been exposed to it – they just reacted in different times.. at least that’s what I understood.

            Also – I was thinking the gloves were white plastic gloves! haaaa! but.. according to this article just cotton is no good.. and just plastic are no good… they recommend cotton lined plastic gloves.. so basically I think the gloves/poison ivy just doesn’t make sense! because it was based on something that was an old wives tale – the script says Jamie lunges at Phillip to ‘communicate the rash’ – so I think the writers were working on that assumption..but.. there are no gloves in the script.. sooo all seems to me like a big Dog’s Breakfast! (Not sure if that translates? but.. it’s a big mess that doesn’t make sense 🙂 )

            I think I’ve learned something from smk.. it makes me smarter-errrrrr 🙂

            Oh and btw – a few days ago I came up with an explanation for the white gloves and did a meme about it.. 😉
            if you are interested.. here it is: http://nedlindgers.proboards.com/post/447/thread
            [It’s tucked in amongst all of KC’s genius! 🙂 ]

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            1. I think the mime explanation is best 🙂
               I had always thought it was because of the break in and fingerprints, but I never really thought about it. The fact that Lee and Amanda don’t touch is what made me think of the poison ivy. But they never mentioned that either. Could you imagine if he had gone to touch her and she had t tell him not to because of poison ivy? It would be like a revisit of the bridge scene in Bromfield Hall.

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3. I assumed it was because of Jamie’s poison ivy, A and D were wearing the gloves. I do wish they had fimed the script version, I always thought it very odd Lee didn’t follow up when Amanda told him she hadn’t talked to him on the phone.

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   1. LOL you just posted the same time as me!!! Do you have poison ivy in Canada?

      Agreed: Very odd! :)At least now we can fill in the blanks!

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      1. Yes we do, but I have been very fortunate not to see any in person *knock on wood*.

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         1. We have lots of Poison Ivy in Ohio. I had to hop over some just earlier this month, while walking in a camp. Actually, I probably still have some in my own back yard, amongst the english ivy and the grape vines, near the back fence, but I haven’t really checked, lately. I try to avoid it at all costs.

            I always thought it odd that they came back from camp so quick. Poison Ivy rash takes at least a day to show up. They should have made it to Sunday before realizing Jamie was affected. Oh well, just chalk it up to another plot hole in this holey episode.

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4. All I have to say is thank God for architects. A camper I am not.

   I definitely think that Karen is spot on when she says that Lee runs to Amanda when she whistles. It’s usually because she’s been kidnapped by the baddies though.

   LOL, iwsod…I would really love to know the explanation on that thing above the front door! After looking at those two pics closely, I wonder if they are the same house. The trees in the front yard don’t look right and I’m not sure I can account for the difference by an angle adjustment. The location of the big tree on the sidewalk is wrong and the green things in front of the fence are different heights.

   Dotty in a tizz!!! Love it! Her mother’s silver!!! Why didn’t she think of that first? It’s okay – she’s in a tizz!

   Ahhh, Lee’s good hair is back – yay! I’m too busy noticing that that I don’t notice the lack of touching. Heck, they touch so much I think my mind just assumes they touch whenever they’re together. What’s that phenomenon called? Like when you read words that are missing letters but your mind knows what you’re reading? Maybe when they cut out some of the dialogue from the script they cut the touching scenes too?

   Amanada’s hair looks good in this backyard scene – like it’s growing out!

   What is that thing on Amanda’s wall between her and Lee? Lamp? Broom? Hanging butter churn? I know, it’s a broom shaped butter churn replica lamp. Ha!

   Barking dogs? Very good, iwsod! Love the Terminator series…some of my favorite movies. I’m just glad that Karen can’t regenerate or we’d have had to endure a second Amanda impersonator episode.

   I love how Lee is soo concerned for Amanda in this backyard scene. He is really being sweet here. Doesn’t he look more handsome when he’s being sweet?

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   1. I forgot – the mind filling in the blanks.. is that a Gestalt?

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      1. Hi iwsod, you must be a psychologist! Check out this link – specifically the second reply by Larry Krengel.
         http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen06/gen06845.htm
         I like this article too although they call it something else: http://phys.org/news/2011-04-eyes-brain.html
         Especially this paragraph: “If you are driving a car and a pedestrian is suddenly obscured – say by a pillar box or your rear view mirror – your brain still knows where they are and where they will reappear in your line of vision. Without that ability, we would be lost in everyday life.” LOL – yes, we would all be a little lost in our every day life if Lee stopped touching Amanda!

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         1. haaaa! 🙂

            Cool article BJo.. I love how he signed off with ‘ I hope that healps!’ 🙂 haaaa! Nice to see psychologists with a sense of houmur! 😉

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            1. Amanda and Lee would most definitely be lost. I know I am a little lost in this last scene, I think they are too. If they had touched they probably would have solved the case right there and then.

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               1. LOL!!!

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               2. ROFL! But the show would’ve only been 28 minutes long… maybe 30 with a tag. 😀

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                  1. And we wouldn’t have had the next wonderful scene…”you’re okay now, I’m here” or however it goes. Thank goodness for poison ivy, or grandma’s silver or mime?

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                     1. I blame Iwsod’s mime. (For giving us the rest of the ep; three cheers, Iwsod!) Grandma, with the silver candlestick, in the poison ivy, just doesn’t measure up… Especially since she’s dead. Can ghosts get poison ivy? Does ectoplasm react to urushiol?

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5. I always wondered what brought Lee back to the house that night. Did he somehow learn that Amanda had come home or was he just going to search the house again out of desperation? Also, what was he doing all afternoon before that?

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6. I love the way they both pause near and at the end of the conversation… before Amanda goes back into the house… like they want to touch but don’t think they can (I think others nailed it when they said that a poison ivy comment had been missed or edited out…).

   Why does Amanda leave the patio door ajar? Does she want Dotty to hear her talking to Lee?!?!?

   I think the gloves are for the poison ivy, but also for the icky factor (someone’s been in the house and I don’t want to touch the stuff–however, if that was the case, shouldn’t they be using rubber gloves, not cotton ones? Maybe they were going to sit down and polish grandma’s silver after they determined whether or not it had been stolen…)

   I think that the unused script dialogue makes more sense, but I’m wondering whether they did what they did in order to string the confusion along further. If Lee and Amanda had had more of a discussion about the phone call and Gordon Redding, they’d be a bit closer to figuring out that there’s a fake Amanda running around. Right now, they’re still completely clueless about it. Unsure about the we-talked-on-the-phone/no-we-didn’t but more able to brush it aside and concentrate on getting Amanda and family out of the house. Does that make any sense?

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7. As for a Wizard of Oz rabbit hole, I think that tornado and the bump on the head that Dorothy received took her down the rabbit hole into Oz. There is always following a Yellow Brick Road that could take you to some rather interesting places.

   It is a strange thing to have a Lee and Amanda scene with no touching. There hasn’t been one since the very beginning of the show. Even when they were strangers and met at the train station they were touching. So a no touching scene is very noticeable. There must have been something said about poison ivy that was edited out otherwise it doesn’t make sense.

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8. About the Script version: I guess that would be just like the Agency to come in and use the house without Amanda’s permission, I wouldn’t have taken it so well as Amanda though. It would have been better to leave it like the script this time.

   Dotty is so Over The Top…LOL!! She probably felt like she had to go camping to help Amanda with all those boys. Where are the father’s? Did Gordon Fielding go with his son? Too weird that women would be doing a boys version of the Boy Scout’s, I would have thought they would want the male influence.

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   1. I also like how Lee is relieved that Amanda is okay and that is the first thing out of his mouth. I agree with Karen that when Amanda hollers Lee comes running. If she knows all this personal stuff about them then how come she doesn’t know where the Agency is?

      Maybe this episode is for us viewers to solidify in our eyes the growing relationship between Lee and Amanda. If that is what other characters on the show see then it must be true. David Benson saw it way back in ‘The Mole’ so the difference now is that Lee would admit it to himself that he does care about Amanda beyond the working relationship 🙂

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9. The one line of Lee’s about this getting way out of hand always sounded odd to me. It seemed out of place with the rest of the dialogue. Seeing what the original version was makes sense now. There’s a weird out of place line like that in the edited version of The Sound of Music. When I saw the uncut version things completely fell into place. One little weird edit can through something completely off.

   I always disliked the glove wearing, but figured it was because the police were coming they didn’t want to confuse the fingerprints. However, their fingerprints would be all over the house since they live there and it looks as if they already did some cleaning. So maybe the gloves are to deal with the contagious Jamie.

   I love Lee’s first line of “thank God, you’re all right”. Comes up again in a later episode. Amanda is his first and foremost concern. I wondered about why he didn’t hug her or touch her in anyway. Maybe the poison ivy issue came up at one point in an earlier script version. Or maybe they wanted a bigger payoff later on. They did like to make us wait so long for things with Lee and Amanda.

   It does seem like there a bits of missing discussion between the two. The conversation is a little stilted. Again, seeing what they originally were supposed to talk about sort of explains it. Love how Lee calmly deals with the situation. He wants to protect not only Amanda, but her family as well. He knows that she will be concerned about her family and he lets her know right away that he is concerned as well. I think Amanda is still in “take care of her family” mode and decides that whatever she wants to ask or tell Lee can just wait until the morning when they can talk more openly.

   For whatever planning Karen and Gordon did up to this point it seems to have gone out the window and they are just ad libbing their way through the rest of it. What is it they say about the best laid plans? Winging it will lead to mistakes. Both of them are pretty poor bad guys, in my opinion. And of course there are the plot holes that aren’t helping.

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   1. I aways thought that they had gloves on because they felt violated and didn’t want to get other people’s germs.

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      1. I thought maybe the gloves were a blooper…they put them on to check Amanda’s grandmother’s silver before Dotty realized they needed to check it!

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         1. Hi Everyone! That’s so funny about the gloves! I didn’t say much about them in the post.. I was assuming that they were to prevent the spread of the poison ivy. I don’t know anything about poison Ivy LOL..but I based it on how Phillip said it was contagious and Amanda responded not if you take the proper precautions. I thought the gloves where a precaution! 🙂 I never thought it could be for the silver! but then. they are both wearing gloves before Dotty remembers the silver.. and if the gloves are just for silver – then Lee can touch Amanda yes?

            I agree.. there’s a line missing about don’t touch the gloves or you’ll get poison ivy or something… err that is if this is the reason for the gloves! I’ll acquiesce to you north Americans on this one 🙂

            I’m curious what SoM line Valerie is referring to also! Aha! we don’t have a sound of music thread at Ned’s! 🙂

            I loved reading your comments in response to my post thanks BJo! 🙂 hope you are well!

            I know exactly what you mean about Lee’s good hair being back! I thought he looked very handsome in this scene.. Heck.. brace yourselves for the next scene!!!

            Regarding it being another house. It could be I don’t know. but this episode has a number of shots of the house from angles we’ve never seen before..so sometimes it looks really different but it’s a different angle.. someone got a head for this stuff and want to work out in which episode it changes? I think I read somewhere that there were two or three homes used.. probably on a fansite somewhere – whooo maybe it was on that Valerie found the info on Ricky Stout on.. I don’t have time to go find it though.. sorry!

            byee all!

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            1. “so sometimes it looks really different but it’s a different angle.. someone got a head for this stuff and want to work out in which episode it changes?”
               LOL–that’s another of the things I’ve started tracking via Tie Patrol and Vehicle Patrol. 😀 I haven’t figured out which ep yet… still have lots of episodes to patrol!!!

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               1. Ahhh KC! I am very excited to hear of this project of yours!! 🙂 but no hurry! we have all the time in the world!

                  I found that website I mentioned.. it’s a fan website.. http://buffyzlayer.tripod.com/facts.htm

                  Which fan I don’t know sorry – if you are reading.. thanks for your site 🙂

                  The opinion listed here about the house is that there is the one house in the first episode and season 1 and 2 credits, then they switch between two different houses for the rest of the show.. I guess we’ll work it out as we go along.. look forward to hearing what you come up with KC! 🙂

                  House Patrol, Tie Patrol, Vehicle Patrol.. Officer KC is a service above and beyond 🙂
                  byeeee!

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                  1. “Officer KC is a service above and beyond”
                     No… Officer KC has no life. ;p 😀

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   2. Valerie, what line in TSOMusic are you talking about? It is the scene with the Baroness and the kids and Max? I haven’t seen it in a while, but I’m thinking there’s something missing in that scene.

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      1. TSOM line is after they have traipsed through Salzburg and are in the mountains playing. Louisa asks if they can do this every day and Maria says, “Well, we’ll have to think about that one.” I always thought it was an odd response to the question instead of a yes or no. In the unedited version after Louisa asks the question Maria asks her wouldn’t she get tired of it. And then there’s more dialogue. The “think about” response comes after they ask how else can they get their father’s attention without being bad. Then she teaches them to sing. There are a few of them in there like that. I need to watch the edited and then the unedited to do a little comparison. Ned’s would be the place to discuss it though.

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         1. I wouldn’t have noticed that, I often use vague answers like that with my kids, especially on loooong days 😉

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         2. Ah, yes, I remember that now.

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